Comments on: LFG, One Month Later

By: Sheetmedrurz

Sheetmedrurz — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:57:26 +0000

oops, haha Ya, I meant DPS gear. Usually when I heal on my priest and I see 35k hp I don't even worry. Plus i have the addon that gives me their current spec and talent point alocation in my tooltip when I mouseover. I'm right with you. There's no way someone can meet the Def cap with more than 4 or 5 pieces of dps gear…unless it has a good amount of resilience on it. Even then, its not going to help block, dodge, or parry any.

By: Grimtorn

Grimtorn — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:22:29 +0000

I presume you meant DPS gear? Regardless…one piece of gear might raises my eyebrows, but I'll deal with it. If we're talking 4, 5, or more pieces of DPS gear in a tank set, then EG is warning me and I'm correctly concerned.

By: Sheetmedrurz

Sheetmedrurz — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:17:44 +0000

On my tank I've been known to throw on a piece of tank gear myself since 5-mans you only need 535 Defense. I use it to pick up my tanking DPS a bit to help out when running the non ICC dungeons. Sometimes it makes me nostalgic for my Arms/Fury days…lol

By: Grimtorn

Grimtorn — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:05:39 +0000

There are always going to be elitist basterds who expect everyone they run with to be 100% perfectly geared – though they seem to be more prone to using gearscore then EG. You've already mentioned the tank in question had some DPS gear on..I'm going to guess that his enchants and/or gems weren't up to snuff, either. Personally, if I see someone in a tank or healer role with 40% or lower for gear (meaning they're wearing only 40% items appropriate for their role), I'm not saying a word, I'm just jetting out of there. I'd rather a deserter debuff then paying tons of gold to repair bills.

But yes, EG is a very good addon. But – it doesn't tell you how good the player is – just what you might be able to expect. Case in point – on Grim this morning I ran H: UP for my frost badges. The bulk of the group has ilvl 235 or better gear on – except the tank. The tank is showing at ilvl 190ish. But…they're gemmed, and enchanted. I adjusted my DPSing accordingly, laying back a little bit longer then I normally would have – and it all went fine. The tank, despite the lack of gear, was phenomenal, and we sailed through the dungeon with zero deaths.

By: Sheetmedrurz

Sheetmedrurz — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:30:08 +0000

I'm actually really interested in seeing how this addon works, also I need to download Rankwatch (I think thats what its called). I've heard of EG before and how popular its becoming and I was kind of shocked at how quickly the Lock started bashing the tank when he zoned in. I was thinking he must have did a quick inspect on the tank as the first action after the loading screen but I simply thought this addon might have been more of the culprit. I was over at NostockUI.com and Matticus has done a really good feature with EG so it is becoming a very popular mod.

By: Grimtorn

Grimtorn — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:45:26 +0000

Unless the tank had a number of bad enchants/gems/gears, Elitist Group wouldn't have been the reason for a group quit. That sounds more to me like someone who was expecting a quick run and was pissed off to find out it was going to be slow because the tank needed to get his groove back.

I'd encourage you to check out EG and see what it actually does before haphazardly blaming it for an LFG issue you encountered.

By: Sheetmedrurz

Sheetmedrurz — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:19:04 +0000

I think that addon was the reason for a group quit. This morning I queued up my DK and got put in a Reg PoS. The tank greeted us warmly upon zoning in and said that he was just getting back after not playin for a few months and said he might be a little slow. He had 35k hp unbuffed so it was not like he was undergeared for the normal version. This warlock zoned in and immediately started criticizing the tank for not knowing how to play. I have a warrior tank myself and although the tank had on 1 or 2 pieces of dps gear (possibly for threat?) he seemed he had his talent spec and everything fine. The lock and the other DPS and healer left group but we found other ppl and finished the run just fine.

By: Grimtorn

Grimtorn — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:10:42 +0000

It seems that DKs and Hunters have the hardest time grasping how to play their characters – perhaps because these are the two presumably "easiest" characters to play? It boggles my mind how many level 80 DKs I see that are running around with one or more of their starter trinkets and/or their starter sigil still equipped. For the sigil especially, there's an easily acquired alternative in Grizzly Hills – regardless of their spec.

But yeah – I hope that when I talk to these players, and offer advice, that they see the good intentions and that it positively impacts their game play. I guess we'll never know though, unless one randomly stumbles across this blog and puts two and two together…

By: Cayleb

Cayleb — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:39 +0000

Very true, though when it comes to <1K deeps or completely uninformed gear/talent choices, I tend to think of that as fumbling, rather than mere under-performance.

So in that sense, yes, I completely agree. A few kind words setting them on the right path can do worlds of good—for the other player at least. You're not that likely to run into that particular cross-server pugger again, but at least you can hope they remember the kindness and pay it forward later.

By: Cayleb

Cayleb — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:13:28 +0000

That's a tough call. As a tank, I'll usually offer some direction if another party member is blatantly fumbling. Like if they're opening with a high-threat AoE before I've even taunted, or letting my mana get to 20% in a heroic before tossing a heal my way. Or standing in the fire/voidzone, lingering next to the exploding zombie, etc.

When it comes to under-performance, I generally keep my mouth shut. Having played almost exclusively as a paladin at 80, my ability to gauge the under-performance of other classes is somewhat limited. That said, if a player is actively seeking help on improving performance I'll offer up what I know and/or redirect them to blogs like yours and sites like EJ.